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April 30, 2014

Back Ordered, I'll Bet

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Posted by Derek

I've actually never heard of "", but a reader sent this interesting page along to me. So if you're in the market for "octa-azacubane" (yep, that's just as crazy as it sounds, if not crazier, a solid cube o' nitrogen atoms), then they're inviting you to query their sellers about availability. If that's in their database, what isn't?

Comments (26) + TrackBacks (0) | Category: Chemical News


1. Matt on April 30, 2014 9:59 AM writes...

I'd be willing to wait 4-6 weeks for that.

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2. Hap on April 30, 2014 10:05 AM writes...

Also dipentazole is available. I wonder how they'd ship it?

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3. JK on April 30, 2014 10:09 AM writes...

Note that they are offering this as a product supplied by Ignite! (the ! being part of the company name)...

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4. annonie on April 30, 2014 10:18 AM writes...

Does it go BOOM?

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5. Normal scientist on April 30, 2014 10:30 AM writes...

Before clicking on the link note that the site comes up as potentially harmful according to Trend Micro security software.

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6. anonymous on April 30, 2014 10:56 AM writes...

When I tried to open it I got:

Malicious website blocked
Rating: Dangerous Verified fraudulent page or threat source.

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7. TX raven on April 30, 2014 11:04 AM writes...

It's just mostly hot air.
Very hot :-)

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8. DB on April 30, 2014 11:33 AM writes...

It makes sense if you don't think about it

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9. Barry on April 30, 2014 11:35 AM writes...

in the trade, that's known as "vaporware"

stuff the sales team promises, without input from the guys who would be asked to make it

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10. dave w on April 30, 2014 11:50 AM writes...

So this is either a "stuff we wish we carried" catalog, or malware pretending to be such a thing?

(Speaking of cube-shaped molecules, does anyone know of an actual source for cubane itself - just the plain hydrocarbon, no nitrogen-substitution needed? Is this still a "literature-reported curiosity", or is it actually possible to buy a small bottle of it as a manufactured product?)

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11. Jal_Frezi on April 30, 2014 11:53 AM writes...

Ebuychem - sounds like a Yorkshire company to me (probably only makes sense to UK readers...)

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12. Sigivald on April 30, 2014 12:27 PM writes...

I notice it says "Ignite! Ltd." and claims US origin (or otherwise I can't explain the US flag by the name).

But there's no web presence for an Ignite! in the US except a software outsourcer ... and that +86 phone code is Chinese.

So I wouldn't trust a word of it for accuracy, let alone for getting the compound desired.

In this case, that might be for the best.

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13. Curious Wavefunction on April 30, 2014 3:35 PM writes...

Is this the same thing that's referred to as the "tesseract" in "The Avengers"?

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14. oldnuke on April 30, 2014 3:36 PM writes...

@9 It's "Boom-Ware" from the laboratory of Prof. Dr. Thomas M. Klapƶtke no doubt.

Don't forget to wear your helmet and body armor when you open the bottle!

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15. John Milligan on April 30, 2014 4:53 PM writes...

I found this one interesting also:

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16. N on April 30, 2014 9:08 PM writes...

This one is pretty good too

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17. anon electrochemist on May 1, 2014 2:58 AM writes...

@dave: Acros sells cubane dicarboxylate for a princely $550/gram. Google says decarboxylation under Barton conditions gives 77% yield.

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18. a. nonymaus on May 1, 2014 10:26 AM writes...

Re: 11, 12, 14

It seems like the sort of place that would have Bionic Bros. GMBH on their supplier list.

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19. Ben Zene on May 1, 2014 10:31 AM writes...

Disappointingly they don't seem to sell FOOF. No more craters to be seen on google maps. Corante old timers will get the reference....

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20. Semichemist on May 1, 2014 10:53 AM writes...

No FOOF? Chem suppliers have really gone downhill these days...

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21. Project Osprey on May 1, 2014 12:03 PM writes...

More than anything else, I'm baffled as to why these compounds have CAS No's. Would that not imply that there are papers which mention these things.

What an amazing read they must be...

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22. Anonymous on May 1, 2014 4:25 PM writes...

#17 - I just checked search came up blank for "cubane dicarboxylate" but they do list "4-(Methoxycarbonyl)cubanecarboxylic acid" ($596.30/g. - 3 units of 1 gram in stock, ships from Belgium...)

Still at the "close but no cigar" level - if I could get 10 grams of unsubstituted cubane for $1000, I might actually go for it. (I'm remembering Clark's account in "Ignition!" of when he first investigated mono-methyl hydrazine as a potential rocket fuel: he notes that he "managed to lay hands on" a pound of the stuff for $500 - in 1951! I wonder what the equivalent of that would be in 2014 US$...)

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23. YuppieScum on May 1, 2014 6:03 PM writes...

No chemist I, but - as an IT bod with similar time-in-service as most of the posters here - I did find this sentence from their "About" page quite... intriguing:

"All warehouses are equipped with distant cloud safety monitoring system and fire protection system under the latest concept--Internet of Things."

With that kind of safety and fire protection, I would want the imminent cloud to be as distant as possible...

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24. navarro on May 3, 2014 5:39 AM writes...

@22--$4660 in 2014 dollars.

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25. joeylawn on May 11, 2014 10:09 AM writes...

Quite the challenge for chemists to make, if possible.

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26. joeylawn on May 11, 2014 10:11 AM writes...

....I'll be the first to give it a nickname:



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