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April 18, 2012

Buckyballs Prolong Life? Really?

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I'm really, really not sure what to make of this paper (PDF). It's from a team that was studying the long-term toxicology of C60 (fullerene, "buckyballs") by giving them to rats as a solution in olive oil. The control groups were water and olive oil without C60. The compound has already been shown to have no noticeable short-term toxic effects, so they probably didn't expect anything dramatic in the lower-dose long-term mode.

Wrong. What they found was that the fullerene/olive oil group had their life spans extended by some 90%, which would make this mixture perhaps the most efficacious life-extended treatment ever seen in a rodent model. This is a very odd and interesting result.

There's nothing bizarre about the pharmacokinetics, anyway. A reasonable amount of the C60 is absorbed after an oral dose (they did both oral gavage and intraperitoneal dosing), with a time course consistent with the very high lipophilicity of the compound. Distribution is still being worked out, but a lot of any given dose ends up in the liver and spleen (although it doesn't accumulate with successive q.d. dosing), with detectable amounts even crossing the blood-brain barrier. It has a long half life, consistent with enterohepatic recirculation and elimination through the bile (no C60 was found in the urine).

The most likely mechanism for the life-extension effects is through oxidative stress and free radical scavenging. There have been several reports of C60 as an antioxidant, although there have also been reports that it can be cytotoxic via lipid peroxidation. (One difference was that that report was with aggregates of C60 in water, versus soluble C60 in oil, but there are other reports that hydrated C60 does the opposite: there's clearly a lot that hasn't been cleared up here). In this study, even at very low doses, C60 appears to protect rodents against carbon tetrachloride-induced liver damage, for example, which is known to involve a radical process. Significantly, it does so while showing protection against glutathione depletion, which also suggests that it's directly scavenging reactive intermediates.

These are reasonable (but unproven) hypotheses, and I very much look forward to seeing this work followed up to see some more light shed on them. The whole life-extension result needs to be confirmed as well, and in other species. I congratulate the authors of this work, though, for giving me the most number of raised eyebrows I've had while reading a scientific paper in quite some time.

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1. Andy on April 19, 2012 7:46 AM writes...

Even the olive oil vehicle control did pretty good for life extension in these rats. All they need now is to give the rats a little chianti to wash it down and it's all good.

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2. NittPick on April 19, 2012 8:16 AM writes...

The IPO on my C60 supplement company is coming soon.

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3. exGlaxoid on April 19, 2012 8:32 AM writes...

2. NittPick on April 19, 2012 8:16 AM writes...

"The IPO on my C60 supplement company is coming soon."

Can get in on that action? I bet GSK would pay almost a billion $ for that deal...

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4. Virgil on April 19, 2012 8:34 AM writes...

First, can we get something straight on the use of the term "scavenging"? The cumulative dose over 7 months in this study was ~200mg or 275 micromoles. This is not enough for it to be working in a scavenging mode (like ascorbate or glutathione) where the product is disposed of or recyclesd. If it is working via affecting ROS levels at all, it has to be acting in a catalytic mode, or it is being recycled by other antioxidant systems. Maybe it's increasing the efficiency of the tocopherol/ascorbate shuttle, but it can't simply be sopping up radicals like a sponge.

Second, I find it VERY odd that they started dosing at 10 months (just a few months before the control rats started dying), and kept the therapy up for only 7 months, but the oldest lived rats went on for over 5 years. Really? In humans this would translate to taking C60 for most of your 30s, none before, none after, and living to 120. Something's not right.

My other suspicion comes from the timing... the oldest lived animals were 66 months (5.5 years), and the paper was submitted in Jan 2012. Thus, the studies were begun in July 2006. Many of the papers they cite regarding the rationale for the dosing regimen were published AFTER the study had already begun. The paper providing the rationale for stopping at 7 months (due to accumulation of c60 in the liver) was not published until 2010, more than 3 years after they'd already stopped dosing! You can't cite something as rationale, when it wasn't even published when you were designing the study.

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5. In Vivo Veritas on April 19, 2012 8:49 AM writes...

Take home for me? Olive oil is good for you, C60 is terrifying.

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6. HleicalZz on April 19, 2012 9:00 AM writes...

It will also prove a good lubricant for those Borg implants as well.

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7. Anonymous on April 19, 2012 9:09 AM writes...

@Virgil: Post hoc ergo propter hoc?

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8. Rick Wobbe on April 19, 2012 9:10 AM writes...

Isn't it odd that the estimated median lifespans (EMLs) for the olive oil and C60-olive oil treated rats are a lot shorter than the time it took for the first rat to die (compare Figure 3 to the text on 4, top left column)? Maybe it's because I don't understand non-parametric Kaplan-Meier analysis, but this seems like a non-sensical result. Can anyone clarify how this can happen?

That doesn't change the qualitative conclusion that adding C60 does something, but it does change the quantitative evaluation of the relative effects of olive oil and C60, which in turn affects determination of the synergy between C60 and olive oil and that could be significant.

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9. Shakerag on April 19, 2012 9:22 AM writes...

Wild thought, but if the c60 solution isn't terribly cost-prohibitive, we could at least market it toward the people who have pet rats.

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10. RB Woodweird on April 19, 2012 9:52 AM writes...

@9:
You don't want rats to live longer. The nice thing about pet rats is they die off just about the time the kid you bought it for loses interest in it and just before the parent has to start taking care of it.

I was once with a company which had begun to market rodents which were GMd to be prone to developing tumors. I suggested that we could make a killing in the home market by selling these as pets guaranteed to die after six months. Marketing did not seize upon this idea.

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11. Shakerag on April 19, 2012 10:11 AM writes...

@10

I dare say, good sir, that not all rat fanciers are children ...

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12. barry on April 19, 2012 10:14 AM writes...

I'm curious about the fraction of C60 that's not absorbed. It could be adsorbing and carrying unidentified dietary toxins out in the faeces.

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13. My 0.02 on April 19, 2012 10:19 AM writes...

Now, you can put scraps from your next chimney sweep into a good use.

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14. bacillus on April 19, 2012 10:22 AM writes...

@8 I always thought that median time to death was the time it took for 50% of the animals to die. Eyeballing figure 3, this is 26, 42 and 63 months for water, oil, oil + C60 respectively. No rats in the C60 group died before 60 months, so I don't see how median survival for this group can be the stated 42 months unless I'm missing something (always a fair assumption).

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15. Rick Wobbe on April 19, 2012 10:34 AM writes...

Virgil, #4 I'm with you. Quickly scanning the paper reveals enough odd details that I have a hard time accepting the result without independent verification.

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16. Rick Wobbe on April 19, 2012 10:41 AM writes...

bacillus, #14 OK, so if I'm clueless, at least I'm not alone. Maybe the shorter-than-we-would've-expected median lifespans have something to do with non-parametric parameters in the non-parametric Kaplan-Meier analysis, eh? :)

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17. kgutwin on April 19, 2012 11:27 AM writes...

" ... I suggested that we could make a killing in the home market..."

At first I though this was supposed to be funny, but then I realized that no pun in @10 did exist.

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18. Fred on April 19, 2012 11:51 AM writes...

"The IPO on my C60 supplement company is coming soon."

I want to see the cool looking pills.

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19. bacillus on April 19, 2012 11:55 AM writes...

@16. It looks like controls die at around 16,26,29,32,35,38 months; oil at 36,38,40,43,58,58 months; C60 at 60,61,61,63,64,64 months which when plugged into Prizm statistical analysis gives median survival of 30, 40, 62, months. However, I am not a statistician.

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20. PPedroso on April 19, 2012 12:13 PM writes...

The median (as in descriptive stats) is 62 but I do not know how they calculate the estimated median with the non-parametric approach...

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21. TColnot on April 19, 2012 1:38 PM writes...

Overall, the study seems to be a bit fishy to me. A lifespan of 5.5 years in a laboratory rat seems rather astonishing, considering that we toxicologists rarely see rats reaching the age of 3 or 4 years if left to themselves. And anybody else notice that they do not give information on the rat strain used, or the diet given? It is well known that dietary calory intake restrictions leed to an increase in lifespan. Equally interesting would be to know how the authors might explain the observed effect after weekly dosing when the half life of the compound is 9 hours (table 1). And heck, if their results hold true, why on earth did they publish in Biomaterials and not in a respectable biomedical or toxicological journal? I'd die to have a look at the peer reviewers' and editor's comments....

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22. MoMo on April 19, 2012 1:47 PM writes...

Who's to say BBs dont have the same pleiotropic effects as say any other "dumb" molecule like resveratrol?

It'll keep the Europeans busy for years if not decades sorting through this one while real science is done elsewhere.

But in the meantime I will be stocking up on BBs.

Coming soon "MoMo's House of BB's".

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23. TColnot on April 19, 2012 1:51 PM writes...

It just occurred to me that if once weekly dosing results in nearly doubling the lifespan, homeopathic dosing of C60 might have really spectacular effects....

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24. Anatoly on April 19, 2012 2:05 PM writes...

@23

And that's why smokers live forever...

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25. emjeff on April 19, 2012 2:24 PM writes...

First sentence: "Since 1993, countless studies showed that..."

Really? Countless? No hyperbole there...

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26. Jeff on April 19, 2012 2:26 PM writes...

They only have SIX animals per cohort! That's way too low to get valuable information on lifespan. If they're serious about this they'll repeat it with at least 40 animals per group of each sex. It's expensive and time consuming, but the data is pretty useless otherwise.

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27. Flatland on April 19, 2012 3:25 PM writes...

Look at the images on page 7 of the paper. Specifically the top ones for the GAip versus GAop liver biopsy's. Anyone else see what I see? Sloppy at best, fraud at worst. I figure that people would have learned their lessons after the Mikovits XMRV photoshopping incident.

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28. John on April 19, 2012 3:42 PM writes...

"Vitamin C60" is already sold for topical use in Japan, and I believe is used to stabilize fish oils in Russia, so uncontrolled human trials are already underway. Some papers:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Aoshima%20H%22%5BAuthor%5D

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29. Anders on April 19, 2012 3:54 PM writes...

As Flatland noticed, sloppy ot worse.The two top images are the same image just sligthly dfferent zooming. Bottom two rows have wrong labelling.

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30. CanadianChemist on April 19, 2012 7:37 PM writes...

I brought this up with my research group (organic electronics) and the boss was skeptical that they'd even be able to dissolve 0.8mg/ml fullerene in olive oil - it isn't known to have any good aliphatic solvents (but it obviously would have been hard to get results feeding the rats CS2 or toluene).

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31. darco on April 19, 2012 9:16 PM writes...

Does anyone think good old activated charcoal would have been a better control? I find it hard to believe this is specific to C60

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32. Wile E. Coyote, Genius on April 20, 2012 12:36 AM writes...

I agree as flatlander has noted that the images in the top two panels are the same. Also, the images are blurry and poorly focused. Can't hardly see much detail. Changes are prominent enough that things can be seen. The "C60 crystals" in Figure 2 are not "specific" as described by the authors. Looks like it could be hemosiderin (normal finding in rat spleen) and special stains are needed to confirm.

I am highly skeptical, and it looks like more of a sales pitch for Tunisian olive oil than BB, the way parts of it is written. I find it hard to believe that olive oil alone will extend a rat's life as long as they claim. I also wouldn't have started the chronic study with rats 10 months old.

Note in table 2 the organ weights. Liver weights of ~5, 7, 7 and 10 across the 4 data points? you need a potent PPAR alpha to get doubling of liver weights, and I'm not sure you can do that in just one week.

Haven't waded through the rest of the details, but I suspect that there was a journal selection bias by the authors to get this paper published. I also agree that it should've gone to a good tox or tox path journal instead (but if it had was likely turned away).

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33. rab on April 20, 2012 3:09 AM writes...

The ageing field is, to put it mildly, problematic. Too many snake oil salesmen and too little credible science. Death of a laboratory animal is not a great endpoint-very often the mode of death is not really understood at the mechanistic level.
Last week, I sat though a truly awful fly talk, which culminated in the hapless presenter admitting that she didn't know why the flies died, but only that the rate of death was slightly lower...
Allied to Big Pharma's search for something to sell to the healthy rich, and it's a recipe for confusion/Sirtris.

I'd be interested in other people's views on this.
Thanks

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34. schinderhannes on April 20, 2012 3:11 AM writes...

Hey there,
I donĀ“t know what your problem is, its an elsevier journal after all!
Next time we will hear about it on retration watch.....

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35. isaac on April 20, 2012 8:43 AM writes...

Survival studies with a N=6. Really?

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36. PPedroso on April 20, 2012 9:17 AM writes...

@35 not that I am defending them, I still need an explanation about the median and duplicated images issues, but they clearly state that this was a exploratory, prelimminary tox study.

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37. bacillus on April 20, 2012 11:37 AM writes...

@36. "Lets run a quick and dirty pilot study over the next 5 years, then do it again properly once we get the preliminary data" Really?

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38. Rick Wobbe on April 20, 2012 1:00 PM writes...

@37, bacillus. You raise another good point. The article gives the impression that this work was a chronic tox study that just happened to observe something astonishing. But who plans to run a chronic tox study for that long? It's very unusual. Normally, you might run it for a year, then sacrifice the surviving animals for histopathology. It's almost as if they planned the experiment with an end result in mind...

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39. Bob Bleck on April 20, 2012 1:13 PM writes...

I race bicycles in the Master's 50+ category for a team sponsored by Colavita. At the start of one of the races, the race marshall looks at me and says, "Hey I might need to see some ID from you". I shot back while pointing to the logo on my sleeve, "I've got two words for ya buddy, Olive Oil"!

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40. Greg Q on April 20, 2012 1:44 PM writes...

@38 Well, if they were planning a fraud from the beginning, they sure had a long time line for it.

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41. bacillus on April 20, 2012 2:07 PM writes...

@40. That's assuming they actually ran the study for 5 years. On the other hand, who's going to try and reproduce a 5 year long study?

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42. bacillus on April 25, 2012 7:54 AM writes...

Looks like this guy is using the discussion here without attribution? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lyle-j-dennis-md/buckminsterfullerene_b_1449974.html

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